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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Margrove, dear Philip, thanks very much for your answers. I
In a moment when I look back on what I have said I realise people have taken what I have said personally To all type one diabetics…I sympathise, you did nothing, it hit you, it is a bitch and you really don’t deserve it. To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced So yeah, maybe i am angry. BUT I realise I can do something about it. I know i can reduce the effects….AND have….by following orders. I now know how to control not only my diabetes but also me This is where I was going with the newbie comments folks….by all means listen to those in here, they have interesting stories. But do NOT become like them You are here cos u dont know what is happening….as soon as you do…you move on I am moving on That really is all from me I am off ta taa Thanks for the unhelp…cos really that is all i got here….which is why I am leaving as I am. It took me about 3 weeks to be answered in the first place when I first asked for help sorry to any new folks I am not really a bitter twisted individual…just write like one here you’ll see……
In a moment when I look back on what I have said I realise people have taken what I have said personally
Fucking crybaby. To all type one diabetics…I sympathise, you did nothing, it hit you, it is a bitch and you really don’t deserve it. To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on.
And YOU’RE going to control it? Yeah!! Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced So yeah, maybe i am angry. BUT I realise I can do something about it. I know i can reduce the effects….AND have….by following orders. I now know how to control not only my diabetes but also me
So why did you "get it" in the first place? Probably because you’re a fat idle twat who sat around waiting for it to get you. You’ll sit aound on your fat arse ’til it kills you too no doubt. You’ve not enough patience to deal with diabetes and you need some serious help. Guess who
Shuttup you dick, nuff said!
Now that will guarantee he will have another last word – lol
Err would you like a dictionary? your grasp of the english language seems somewhat limited still u r a surf dude!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shuttup you dick, nuff said! The Surfer guy In a moment when I look back on what I have said I realise people have taken what I have said personally To all type one diabetics…I sympathise, you did nothing, it hit you, it is a bitch and you really don’t deserve it. To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced So yeah, maybe i am angry. BUT I realise I can do something about it. I know i can reduce the effects….AND have….by following orders. I now know how to control not only my diabetes but also me This is where I was going with the newbie comments folks….by all means listen to those in here, they have interesting stories. But do NOT become like them You are here cos u dont know what is happening….as soon as you do…you move on I am moving on That really is all from me I am off ta taa Thanks for the unhelp…cos really that is all i got here….which is why I am leaving as I am. It took me about 3 weeks to be answered in the first place when I first asked for help sorry to any new folks I am not really a bitter twisted individual…just write like one here you’ll see……
Err would you like a dictionary?
Don’t you just hate it when people pretend to flounce off in a huff then don’t…? — Emma http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
Err would you like a dictionary? Don’t you just hate it when people pretend to flounce off in a huff then don’t…?
Emma wins the "More Comebacks Than Frank Sinatra" award of the day!
Oh please! I don’t even want to think about Treb’s underpants! ;-p — Emma http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Err would you like a dictionary? Don’t you just hate it when people pretend to flounce off in a huff then don’t…? — Emma http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
Isn’t it funny how some peopel have such delusions of grandeur? Does Treb really think he’s right, and everyone else here is wrong, I never knew arrogance of that level really existed. Shame really Stef
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In a moment when I look back on what I have said I realise people have taken what I have said personally To all type one diabetics…I sympathise, you did nothing, it hit you, it is a bitch and you really don’t deserve it. To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced So yeah, maybe i am angry. BUT I realise I can do something about it. I know i can reduce the effects….AND have….by following orders. I now know how to control not only my diabetes but also me This is where I was going with the newbie comments folks….by all means listen to those in here, they have interesting stories. But do NOT become like them You are here cos u dont know what is happening….as soon as you do…you move on I am moving on That really is all from me I am off ta taa Thanks for the unhelp…cos really that is all i got here….which is why I am leaving as I am. It took me about 3 weeks to be answered in the first place when I first asked for help sorry to any new folks I am not really a bitter twisted individual…just write like one here you’ll see……
Err would you like a dictionary? your grasp of the english language seems somewhat limited still u r a surf dude!
Are you still here? Fuck ME you must be a sadder bastard than I gave you credit for. Beav
Are you still here? Fuck ME you must be a sadder bastard than I gave you credit for.
Does this guy ever fuck off?!! NUFF SED!!!! ….oh sorry, i don’t have a dictionary to hand Surfin’
Please do ship out Treb. I can’t for the life of me think why an immature person like you wants to hang around with adults. Now why don’t you run off and play with the other children. And stop whinging for christ’s sake. Mally too much knowledge makes one too clever
In a moment when I look back on what I have said I realise people have taken what I have said personally To all type one diabetics…I sympathise, you did nothing, it hit you, it is a bitch and you really don’t deserve it. To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced So yeah, maybe i am angry. BUT I realise I can do something about it. I know i can reduce the effects….AND have….by following orders. I now know how to control not only my diabetes but also me This is where I was going with the newbie comments folks….by all means listen to those in here, they have interesting stories. But do NOT become like them You are here cos u dont know what is happening….as soon as you do…you move on I am moving on That really is all from me I am off ta taa Thanks for the unhelp…cos really that is all i got here….which is why I am leaving as I am. It took me about 3 weeks to be answered in the first place when I first asked for help sorry to any new folks I am not really a bitter twisted individual…just write like one here you’ll see……
To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced
in what way did I bring it on myself?…I didn’t choose my genes…I’m 45 and even at my heaviest I’ve not been overweight…I’ve stayed fit…travelled mostly by bike or on foot…eaten the right foods in the right combinations I just come from a family that gets auto immune conditions — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"
your nickname says it all Was that supposed to be an insult? I shouldn’t worry Emma, silly bugger cant even count.
S’okay – I had to check to see whether it was one as it wasn’t very good! ‘One Last Word’, he must have written a couple of hundred in the first post and still hasn’t shut his gob yet!
Sad thing is he thinks he’s causing a "stir" but really he’s just making a fool of himself. — Emma http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
Eric, your words also describe me perfectly. Grandmother, two great-uncles, brother, and that`s not necessarily a complete list
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced in what way did I bring it on myself?…I didn’t choose my genes…I’m 45 and even at my heaviest I’ve not been overweight…I’ve stayed fit…travelled mostly by bike or on foot…eaten the right foods in the right combinations I just come from a family that gets auto immune conditions — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"
Shuttup you dick, nuff said! The Surfer guy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In a moment when I look back on what I have said I realise people have taken what I have said personally To all type one diabetics…I sympathise, you did nothing, it hit you, it is a bitch and you really don’t deserve it. To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced So yeah, maybe i am angry. BUT I realise I can do something about it. I know i can reduce the effects….AND have….by following orders. I now know how to control not only my diabetes but also me This is where I was going with the newbie comments folks….by all means listen to those in here, they have interesting stories. But do NOT become like them You are here cos u dont know what is happening….as soon as you do…you move on I am moving on That really is all from me I am off ta taa Thanks for the unhelp…cos really that is all i got here….which is why I am leaving as I am. It took me about 3 weeks to be answered in the first place when I first asked for help sorry to any new folks I am not really a bitter twisted individual…just write like one here you’ll see……
If you eat a deep pan pizza then you can be ok Eat to the meter…ok ….also know what you personally can eat…I do….. Like I have said, I can control my diabetes the way everyone does…or should. By medication, diet and exercise. If you do not do all of these then you will not get better. For all those who think i am selfish or stupid I am not.
You are if you think you’ll "get better". All the above help, everyone knows it. Loose weight if overweight and exercise more. That is my "secret" or "solution" and no I am not afraid to share it. Do what you are told….it’s simple. And yes, young type 2’s pretty much always have a hand in their fate
And so the words are etched in stone. this really is my final word
Like we believe you? The Trebster signing off for good and for his own better
own better?? Anyway… bye. btw, I thought you said you were leaving DAYS ago? Beav
Are you still here? Fuck ME you must be a sadder bastard than I gave you credit for. Does this guy ever fuck off?!! NUFF SED!!!! ….oh sorry, i don’t have a dictionary to hand
Carry on like this Surfer and you’ll have to spend a week in "alt.spelling.who.gives.a.stih" 
Beav
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – your nickname says it all Was that supposed to be an insult? I shouldn’t worry Emma, silly bugger cant even count. ‘One Last Word’, he must have written a couple of hundred in the first post and still hasn’t shut his gob yet! — Philip Martin. Happily Insulin Jetting. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
He is just trolling now, the more bites he gets the longer it will take for him to find the door, so I would suggest ignoring him till either he has something sensible to say or find the door and closes it with him on the other side. — DaveT T1 since 1955 — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
your nickname says it all Was that supposed to be an insult?
I shouldn’t worry Emma, silly bugger cant even count. ‘One Last Word’, he must have written a couple of hundred in the first post and still hasn’t shut his gob yet! — Philip Martin. Happily Insulin Jetting. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
your nickname says it all
Was that supposed to be an insult? — Emma http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
your nickname says it all damn I did it again
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Trebster signing off for good and for his own better I’m getting a feeling of Deja Vu… — Emma http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
don’t know ’bout deja wotsit, but feel we have been here before LOL
The Trebster signing off for good and for his own better
I’m getting a feeling of Deja Vu… — Emma http://altgallery.shows.it The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
If you eat a deep pan pizza then you can be ok Eat to the meter…ok ….also know what you personally can eat…I do….. Like I have said, I can control my diabetes the way everyone does…or should. By medication, diet and exercise. If you do not do all of these then you will not get better. For all those who think i am selfish or stupid I am not. All the above help, everyone knows it. Loose weight if overweight and exercise more. That is my "secret" or "solution" and no I am not afraid to share it. Do what you are told….it’s simple. And yes, young type 2’s pretty much always have a hand in their fate this really is my final word The Trebster signing off for good and for his own better
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Isn’t it funny how some peopel have such delusions of grandeur? Does Treb really think he’s right, and everyone else here is wrong, I never knew arrogance of that level really existed. Shame really Stef In a moment when I look back on what I have said I realise people have taken what I have said personally To all type one diabetics…I sympathise, you did nothing, it hit you, it is a bitch and you really don’t deserve it. To you type two’s, like me, well you probably don’t deserve it….but likely you brought it on. Type 2 diabetes, unless you are say….50 or so…is pretty much self induced So yeah, maybe i am angry. BUT I realise I can do something about it. I know i can reduce the effects….AND have….by following orders. I now know how to control not only my diabetes but also me This is where I was going with the newbie comments folks….by all means listen to those in here, they have interesting stories. But do NOT become like them You are here cos u dont know what is happening….as soon as you do…you move on I am moving on That really is all from me I am off ta taa Thanks for the unhelp…cos really that is all i got here….which is why I am leaving as I am. It took me about 3 weeks to be answered in the first place when I first asked for help sorry to any new folks I am not really a bitter twisted individual…just write like one here you’ll see……
How often should I test? I ask as I have no real idea, I need to get true readings to take back to my doc. He’s taken me off bread completely and also told me to cut back on other carbs liek potatoes (due to my weight and feels I lose more quickly without too many carbs). Will this affect my readings? I also noticed I have more hypo’s (higher and lower readings) when I;m very upset or stressed, not straight away but not too long after. Is this possible, or am I losing my mind? I fear the worst, but hope for the best….won’t know either way until I see the doc. NHS Direct has told me I *could* be T2, said that I was probably "borderline". Won’t know for sure until I see doc, in a couple of weeks time. Thanks! regards, Tracy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How often should I test? I ask as I have no real idea, I need to get true readings to take back to my doc. He’s taken me off bread completely and also told me to cut back on other carbs liek potatoes (due to my weight and feels I lose more quickly without too many carbs). Will this affect my readings? I also noticed I have more hypo’s (higher and lower readings) when I;m very upset or stressed, not straight away but not too long after. Is this possible, or am I losing my mind? I fear the worst, but hope for the best….won’t know either way until I see the doc. NHS Direct has told me I *could* be T2, said that I was probably "borderline". Won’t know for sure until I see doc, in a couple of weeks time. Thanks! regards, Tracy
Also I keep feeling *really* sick and also getting *very* bad headaches. I feel tired a lot too, is there *any* connection or am I just losing my mind? If the latter, will pay *big* money for new mind! Or better still, new body! Regards, Tracy
Hi Tracy Lowering your carbs will probably make a dramatic change to your bg’s – they’ll come down! I tend to have pitta bread now when I have my breakfast so the rise isn’t as substantial to the rise I get if 2 slices of white or brown pass my lips! I was on a low carb diet after I got diagnosed (16th November 2001) and I’ve lost a total of 5 stone in weight up to now – still got for the last 2 months and the readings have gone from 4 to an average of 9 now on 2 metformin (I am NOT going back to 3 ever "experiment" with 2 before I see the specialist who will hopefully put me on insulin too – to get the readings back to normal! which usually shows I’m too high because I’m sooooooo stressed!! Yeah stress does affect them – as does illness (a col and suchlike) – but you shouldn’t worry too much about them really! Jackie T – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How often should I test? I ask as I have no real idea, I need to get true readings to take back to my doc. He’s taken me off bread completely and also told me to cut back on other carbs liek potatoes (due to my weight and feels I lose more quickly without too many carbs). Will this affect my readings? I also noticed I have more hypo’s (higher and lower readings) when I;m very upset or stressed, not straight away but not too long after. Is this possible, or am I losing my mind? I fear the worst, but hope for the best….won’t know either way until I see the doc. NHS Direct has told me I *could* be T2, said that I was probably "borderline". Won’t know for sure until I see doc, in a couple of weeks time. Thanks! regards, Tracy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How often should I test? I ask as I have no real idea, I need to get true readings to take back to my doc. He’s taken me off bread completely and also told me to cut back on other carbs liek potatoes (due to my weight and feels I lose more quickly without too many carbs). Will this affect my readings? I also noticed I have more hypo’s (higher and lower readings) when I;m very upset or stressed, not straight away but not too long after. Is this possible, or am I losing my mind? I fear the worst, but hope for the best….won’t know either way until I see the doc. NHS Direct has told me I *could* be T2, said that I was probably "borderline". Won’t know for sure until I see doc, in a couple of weeks time. Thanks! regards, Tracy
Hi Tracy, IMHO (and it is only my opinion, I’m not a doctor just a T2 diabetic diagnosed for about 4 years) there’s no hard and fast rule about testing. You can test on a regular routine, (before meals and two hours after meals), to get a general picture of what’s happening to your glucose levels. Also, you can and should test whenever you feel not so good. This checks whether something is going on with your levels, and also helps you learn what different levels "feel" like, so you can identify whether you’re high or low. I found that quite difficult at first, because I just felt "ill". Gradually I learned to tell the difference between a high "ill" and a low "ill". The amount of carbohydrate you eat has a direct effect on your blood sugar levels – you convert carbs into sugar, and if your system can’t control that properly through insulin resistance (T2) or pancreatic failure (T1) then you have to do something about it via diet, diet and medication, or diet and insulin. I’m using "diet" in the sense of controlling what you eat, not in the sense of trying to lose weight – there are times when you need to take carbs on board quickly, and other times when you need to limit your carb intake. For T2s it’s usually the latter, unless you are taking medication that stimulates your insulin production, or insulin to supplement your own production. Through testing before a meal you can establish a level, and work out roughly what and how much to eat. Testing two hours after a meal tells you whether you got it right, or need to go back to the drawing board slapping your wrists along the way. You may wish to vary this routine – e.g. I’m pretty confident that my regular breakfast of 14 to 18 grams of carb will not take me too high, but sometimes I need to eat a piece of fruit mid-morning, so I test about 3 and a half hours after breakfast just to check whether it’s one of those days. Please be aware of the Glycemic Index of food, that is, how quickly you convert the carb contained in the food into sugar. You could check Rick Mendoza’s web site, or have a look at http://www.calvin.biochem.usyd.edu.au/GIDB/search.htm for more information. There’s also LOADS of information in this newsgroup’s posts, and plenty of links on the ASDUK web site (www.asduk.bizland.com). In general, use high glycemic index food to combat hypos, and lower glycemic index foods to reduce "spiking" (that’s when you have a sudden high level shortly after eating, followed by a sudden drop again – Yecchhh!) A meal consisting of mixed low and high GI foods boosts your bg immediately, then sustains it over a period. Once you’ve set your levels, and you’re confident in what you’re doing, you can reduce testing to monitoring one or two times a day, just upping the test numbers to deal with unexpected situations or monitor e.g. changes in medication/diet, etc. Stress can affect bg levels, but you also get mood swings, rages, apathy, you name it, as a result of the diabetes, so it works both ways, and you are probably _not_ losing your mind, – but there again, I don’t know you well enough to tell Good luck… HTH — Pat, the Idle Plucker Please note subtle change in address thanks to constant attention from spammers That’s idlepluckerATntlworldDOTcom to me mates Old guitarists never die…they just pluck off
Impressive reply makes absolute sense, even from a T2. Are you sure you’re not a doctor? N
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How often should I test? regards, Hi Tracy, IMHO (and it is only my opinion, I’m not a doctor just a T2 diabetic diagnosed for about 4 years) there’s no hard and fast rule about testing. You can test on a regular routine, (before meals and two hours after meals), to get a general picture of what’s happening to your glucose levels.
Changing the diet will affect the readings. You should get a spread of test results *before* you change the diet, and compare those to *after* the change. That way, you’ll hopefully get encouragement from the results and it’ll also show how different types of food influence the bg readings. Foods that affect your bg may behave quite differently if I ate the same, etc. Knowing what is good for you is part of the process.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How often should I test? I ask as I have no real idea, I need to get true readings to take back to my doc. He’s taken me off bread completely and also told me to cut back on other carbs liek potatoes (due to my weight and feels I lose more quickly without too many carbs). Will this affect my readings? I also noticed I have more hypo’s (higher and lower readings) when I;m very upset or stressed, not straight away but not too long after. Is this possible, or am I losing my mind? I fear the worst, but hope for the best….won’t know either way until I see the doc. NHS Direct has told me I *could* be T2, said that I was probably "borderline". Won’t know for sure until I see doc, in a couple of weeks time. Thanks! regards, Tracy
Impressive reply makes absolute sense, even from a T2. Are you sure you’re not a doctor? N
No, honest! (Though you would be forgiven for thinking so if you saw my handwriting.) Just an ex-pro guitarist now thrashing about with Oracle databases… and drilling holes in the ends of my fingers on far too regular a basis for comfort. Glad it made sense, though. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How often should I test? regards, Hi Tracy, IMHO (and it is only my opinion, I’m not a doctor just a T2 diabetic diagnosed for about 4 years) there’s no hard and fast rule about testing. You can test on a regular routine, (before meals and two hours after meals), to get a general picture of what’s happening to your glucose levels.
– Pat, the Idle Plucker Please note subtle change in address thanks to constant attention from spammers That’s idlepluckerATntlworldDOTcom to me mates Old guitarists never die…they just pluck off
I was recently diagnosed as an ‘early stage’ diabetic (at 63 years old). It came completely out of the blue. I execise heavily and watch my diet. As a result, no medication is required – thank God. My blood sugar decreases dramatically after exercise. I have NEVER experienced any symptoms,nor any side-affects. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hi all, just want to whether exercise and diet really work to control the glucose level in type II diabetes in the long run. Is there any side effect if dont depend on medication.
Same here. With exercise, there are more advantages as well. Too many too list. Fran
Supposedly Migraine Ice and magnetic sleep masks have helped for some. Also biofeedback, acupuncture, and vitamins, esp. magnesium. LP
other than a shot what is another way to help with a migraine? Medication?
*crosspost and followups set* other than a shot what is another way to help with a migraine? Medication?
Diet, perhaps. I understand that red wine, some kinds of cheeses, and chocolate need to be avoided. I believe there’s a pill called "caffergot" that some people find effective; I don’t know if it’s a prescription or not. The topic of misc.health.aids is not "health aids" but AIDS/HIV diseaase. I’ve set the followups to a group that might be able to help you better (unless your headaches are HIV-related, in which case you _must_ seek the advice of your health provider; and do it quickly since a headache _can_ be the signal of a potentially fatal opportunistic infection). If you do not have alt.support.headaches.migraines on your news server, ask your systems administrator to add it. B/
I myself suffer from these nightmares. I have Double Vision and need to wear special glasses. I have about two migraine and all I do is go to bed and try to sleep it off. I have found that all the different Medication I have had none of them seem to help. So go ahead and have a wee shot if it helps you.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *crosspost and followups set* other than a shot what is another way to help with a migraine? Medication? Diet, perhaps. I understand that red wine, some kinds of cheeses, and chocolate need to be avoided. I believe there’s a pill called "caffergot" that some people find effective; I don’t know if it’s a prescription or not. The topic of misc.health.aids is not "health aids" but AIDS/HIV diseaase. I’ve set the followups to a group that might be able to help you better (unless your headaches are HIV-related, in which case you _must_ seek the advice of your health provider; and do it quickly since a headache _can_ be the signal of a potentially fatal opportunistic infection). If you do not have alt.support.headaches.migraines on your news server, ask your systems administrator to add it. B/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My ob/gyn has recommended a radical hysterectomy due to moderate endometriosis discovered during a tubal. I’ve had problems for years which have worsened more and more each month for the past year. I am 32 years old and the mother of one child. My doctor seems to think that luprin and other therapies are simply delaying tactics and that since I am not planning on more children I should go with the surgery. If it was just my uterus I wouldn’t be hesitant, but I’m really concerned about losing my ovaries since so many women seem to have nothing but horror stories about HRT. Everyone I’ve talked to has recommended that I have the surgery, but I don’t want to jump from the frying pan into the fire on this. Any thoughts? ~Marie
Marie, I would suggest getting a second opinion on having a hysterectomy; it sounds like such a radical operation for endo, when HRT may not, as you stated, be the best thing for you to take. Christine
My ob/gyn has recommended a radical hysterectomy due to moderate endometriosis discovered during a tubal. I’ve had problems for years which have worsened more and more each month for the past year. I am 32 years old and the mother of one child. My doctor seems to think that luprin and other therapies are simply delaying tactics and that since I am not planning on more children I should go with the surgery. If it was just my uterus I wouldn’t be hesitant, but I’m really concerned about losing my ovaries since so many women seem to have nothing but horror stories about HRT. Everyone I’ve talked to has recommended that I have the surgery, but I don’t want to jump from the frying pan into the fire on this. Any thoughts? ~Marie
Marie, Even if you do have a hysterectomy, you may not be cured of having endometriosis as there is no cure for it and it can return after a hyst. The only sure way of removing all the endo is to have excision surgery or surgery with an endo specialist, but then again this isn’t even a cure. I hope that this helps! Arianna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My ob/gyn has recommended a radical hysterectomy due to moderate endometriosis discovered during a tubal. I’ve had problems for years which have worsened more and more each month for the past year. I am 32 years old and the mother of one child. My doctor seems to think that luprin and other therapies are simply delaying tactics and that since I am not planning on more children I should go with the surgery. If it was just my uterus I wouldn’t be hesitant, but I’m really concerned about losing my ovaries since so many women seem to have nothing but horror stories about HRT. Everyone I’ve talked to has recommended that I have the surgery, but I don’t want to jump from the frying pan into the fire on this. Any thoughts? ~Marie
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My ob/gyn has recommended a radical hysterectomy due to moderate endometriosis
This sounds very extreme! I would definitely seek a second or third opinion. Being that a hyterectomy is not a cure (for some women, it can be, but we are the lucky ones), you have to be 110% positive that you WANT to do this and it is absolutley your last option. If you have even the tiniest of doubt, this is not the right move for you. -Michelle http://members.aol.com/EndoRama
Hi Marie, I’m scheduled for a hysterectomy, with removal of both ovaries, on October 26th, 2001. I’ve done all the research and like you – I am SICK and TIRED for having to deal with painful periods, painful intercouse and all the other symptoms. I have a cyst on my left ovary that is the size of a grapefruit, so it has to go (I will only find out if it’s cancer once they take it out, so I’ve been praying alot). I know it’s a tough decision to make, but I think we’ve made the right choice. My doctor recommended Lupron injections for the 3 months prior to my surgery and besides some hot flashes and feeling a little bloated, I haven’t been bothered by it that much. I’m a person who exercises alot and watches what I eat, so I guess that helps. I, too, have a thyroid problem. I’ve been taking thyroid hormones (Eltroxin) for the past 3 years. I did not know that there was a correlation between the two. I’ll have to ask my doctor about that. Good luck, S.D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you everyone for the great advice. I think I am going to have the surgery – in addition to the hyst he’s going to do a "pelvic cleanout" so with luck he’ll get everything. I was vacillating back and forth until I started this last period- the worst ever. If it was just the cramps, I could probably live with it but all the other stuff on top of that is what makes it intolerable… Since I started researching endo I discovered that all the problems I’ve been having – pelvic pain, IBS, frequent urination, extremely painful intercourse, horrible pelvic exams and PMS from HELL – can be traced to the endo so I’m going to go for the surgery and pray for the best. Does anyone else happen to have a thyroid disorder too? I was surprised to learn about the correlation between endo and thyroid disorders. Are there any other correlations between endo and other conditions? ~Marie My ob/gyn has recommended a radical hysterectomy due to moderate endometriosis This sounds very extreme! I would definitely seek a second or third opinion. Being that a hyterectomy is not a cure (for some women, it can be, but we are the lucky ones), you have to be 110% positive that you WANT to do this and it is absolutley your last option. If you have even the tiniest of doubt, this is not the right move for you. -Michelle http://members.aol.com/EndoRama
Hi Marie, There is a correlation between endo and thyroid disease. We have a higher rate of thyroid disease as well as other autoimmune diseases. Please think about treating all these things before you have a hysterectomy. I had one at age 31 and in spite of jogging and playing tennis etc, I have severe osteoporosis now. My health has deteriorated so much that just walking down the beach causes major pain. Check out Mary Lou Ballwegs book, the Endometriosis Source Book for the best up to date info. Please don’t let pain rush you to a fast decision that you may later regret. Hugs and healing, Janet
Marie, On the issue of HRT, the general practice is NOT to prescribe it until at least 6 months after removing the ovaries, as the hormone replacement will simply feed the endo in the same way your ovaries do. The natural progesterone creams are championed by many, and they often help with the very sudden and strong menopausal effects..but you do need to be aware that HRT will not normally be a sensible option. Here in the UK, it is very difficult for women of our age to get a hyst, even if they have very severe endo and really want a hyst… so I am a little surprised that your consultant is so quick to offer this as a main choice. The drugs are known to relieve symptoms for some time in many sufferers, there are also dietary alterations you can make. It might be worth considering at least trying some of these first, before making such a radical decision. It would also give you more time to be clearer about what you want. I have considered a hyst, about 3 months after diagnosis & 2 months after I had my left ovary removed, along with very extensive endo… which has caused uretal blockage and long term kidney dilation. My immediate response was to want to get rid of everything that might aggravate the situation, as until then I’d been focusing on renal problems and stuck my head in the sand about my future with endo. I don’t feel the same now. I may do if it threatens the ureter after surgical repair, but I have calmed down now and got more used to the idea. Also please remember, having the uretus and ovaries removed is NOT a guaranteed cure, some women experience a return of the endo. Sometimes ovarian cells can be left behind, and continue to produce hormones. I’m not sure if that’s the reason for every recurrence…or if there are other reasons in some cases. My message is, think long & hard about it, and take the time you need… even maybe buying yourself a few painfree years with medication, diet etc before opting for the surgery (4000mg of evening primrose oil per day is recommended for gynae damage & pain)
Dear Marie, Please know that Hyst is not a cure for endo and that not everyone can take HRT.It has been four years since I had mine .. and I STILL have NOT solved the problem of constant hot flashes .Hyst can and does change many women sexually forever. Please know that hysterectomy does not not turn out wonderful for all women….. just want you to know ALL the FACTS!!!! For many women it is ok…. but is has been a nightmare for ASK ,ASk your doctor/doctors many , many questions.,…. especially what will be done if it is discovered you are allergic to HRT because of the Will your doctor PROMISE to be there for you to get your hormones STRAIGHTENED OUT and get your libido bacckkkkkkk and HERE’S THE ONE YOU BETTER RESEARCH MOST OF ALL .. WHAT KINDS OF HRT WILL YOUR INSURANCE COVER????? Because if you find out you can not take a generic HRT many insurance companies will not cover compounded meds.HRT can be VERY costly!!! Please know all the facts before you make this decision at such a young age!!!!!And have to rely on some phramacy / or doctor for your well being for the rest of your life!! I regret everyday that I allowed this to be done to me!!!!!!! And I am much older than you. All the best , Merrily
Marie, A hysterectomy is a good way of getting rid of the bulk or all of the visible endo. The key word is visible. It does not get rid of all of the endo. Nothing will. You will feel a drastic difference after the surgery, but there are other things to deal with after a hysterectomy. I would talk with an endo specialists about all the other options. Hysterectomy should be the last resort. I had to have one last year. I’ve had 2 other endo related surgeries since then. It will change your body and mind (thanks to those hormones). I put a link to my site on the bottom. It tells my story, med links, support links, and encouragement. Also, feel free to e-mail me at anytime. Tara http://community.webtv.net/tara_arat/TarasEndometriosis
Marie, I don’t have this condition, but I have read that there may be some correlation between endometriosis and fibromyalgia. Linda
Thank you everyone for the great advice. I think I am going to have the surgery – in addition to the hyst he’s going to do a "pelvic cleanout" so with luck he’ll get everything. I was vacillating back and forth until I started this last period- the worst ever. If it was just the cramps, I could probably live with it but all the other stuff on top of that is what makes it intolerable… Since I started researching endo I discovered that all the problems I’ve been having – pelvic pain, IBS, frequent urination, extremely painful intercourse, horrible pelvic exams and PMS from HELL – can be traced to the endo so I’m going to go for the surgery and pray for the best. Does anyone else happen to have a thyroid disorder too? I was surprised to learn about the correlation between endo and thyroid disorders. Are there any other correlations between endo and other conditions? ~Marie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My ob/gyn has recommended a radical hysterectomy due to moderate endometriosis This sounds very extreme! I would definitely seek a second or third opinion. Being that a hyterectomy is not a cure (for some women, it can be, but we are the lucky ones), you have to be 110% positive that you WANT to do this and it is absolutley your last option. If you have even the tiniest of doubt, this is not the right move for you. -Michelle http://members.aol.com/EndoRama
This post not CC’d by email What would happen if you used your low carb diet alone? Jennifer is the low carb advocate. I admire her for that as her results are better than mine. My diet has restricted carbs but doesn’t fit the Atkins low carb model. Actually Q… and I hope I don’t diminish in your eyes ; )… but
Never. Jennifer I will always admire the way to tell it straight up. In the end that is what counts. For those who are newly diagnosed and haven’t read Jennifer’s story you can find it at, http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin/jennifers_story.htm I use a very modified low carb plan. I don’t count them at all, but if I did I figure I’d be around 100g a day.
Like you I don’t count anything. It’s a T2 thing. I very very rarely eat pasta, cereal, potato or candy.
Same. For me you might as well say it doesn’t happen. OK I admit I sometimes have 3 squares of 70% cocoa solids chocolate. I do eat a small quantity of beans and whole grain bread.
I eat green beans as it fits in with others. Sometimes I make bread to my own recipe. Most meals are protein and veggies.
That seems to work for me too. My best waking value recently came when I had very lean steak grilled in fine slices on a stone slab with a few mussels, and a large prawn served with a side salad. For supper I had one firm peacherine. But I am not above sneaking a bite or two of a friends dessert when I go out to eat.
I usually eat cheese. Processed cheese doesn’t work for me. It seems to give me high bgs the following morning. Feta works fine especially goat or sheep feta. I am quite fat, which doesn’t actually bother me or my lifestyle, I try to exercise, but rarely get in as much as I’d like, due to work schedule etc.
I lost 20 kg. It is only after losing 20 kg that I returned to the gym. On the other hand I built a fabulous garden so wasn’t short of exercise. I do use meds, 500mg Glucophage 3x a day. I will take a Prandin every now and again (I’d say once or twice a month), if I’m in a high carb situation… business meal, wedding etc.
I use Diamicron 80 mg twice daily. It has the reputation for increasing weight but that hasn’t happened for me. I’ve been at this almost two years now and seem to have fallen into a rhythm that works for me. My last five A1c (all three months apart) were in the 4.3 – 4.7 range.
My recent ones have been 5.3 to 5.1 I started lower carb eating immediately upon dx, and it dropped my BG in the space of a few months. First A1c was 15.3, then a month later 8.5, two months after that 6.0, then always under 5.
My HgbA1c was 9.8 which dropped to 5.7 when next tested. For me, my choices work. I have energy, I sleep well, and my doctor is happy with the results. Jennifer
And so they should, so you should and so they should be. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
HI, QG (newzealander for GQ??) I did read your "jennifer’s page" and glad to see yours and Tricia’s comments, as well. Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This post not CC’d by email What would happen if you used your low carb diet alone? Jennifer is the low carb advocate. I admire her for that as her results are better than mine. My diet has restricted carbs but doesn’t fit the Atkins low carb model. Actually Q… and I hope I don’t diminish in your eyes ; )… but Never. Jennifer I will always admire the way to tell it straight up. In the end that is what counts. For those who are newly diagnosed and haven’t read Jennifer’s story you can find it at, http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin/jennifers_story.htm I use a very modified low carb plan. I don’t count them at all, but if I did I figure I’d be around 100g a day. Like you I don’t count anything. It’s a T2 thing. I very very rarely eat pasta, cereal, potato or candy. Same. For me you might as well say it doesn’t happen. OK I admit I sometimes have 3 squares of 70% cocoa solids chocolate. I do eat a small quantity of beans and whole grain bread. I eat green beans as it fits in with others. Sometimes I make bread to my own recipe. Most meals are protein and veggies. That seems to work for me too. My best waking value recently came when I had very lean steak grilled in fine slices on a stone slab with a few mussels, and a large prawn served with a side salad. For supper I had one firm peacherine. But I am not above sneaking a bite or two of a friends dessert when I go out to eat. I usually eat cheese. Processed cheese doesn’t work for me. It seems to give me high bgs the following morning. Feta works fine especially goat or sheep feta. I am quite fat, which doesn’t actually bother me or my lifestyle, I try to exercise, but rarely get in as much as I’d like, due to work schedule etc. I lost 20 kg. It is only after losing 20 kg that I returned to the gym. On the other hand I built a fabulous garden so wasn’t short of exercise. I do use meds, 500mg Glucophage 3x a day. I will take a Prandin every now and again (I’d say once or twice a month), if I’m in a high carb situation… business meal, wedding etc. I use Diamicron 80 mg twice daily. It has the reputation for increasing weight but that hasn’t happened for me. I’ve been at this almost two years now and seem to have fallen into a rhythm that works for me. My last five A1c (all three months apart) were in the 4.3 – 4.7 range. My recent ones have been 5.3 to 5.1 I started lower carb eating immediately upon dx, and it dropped my BG in the space of a few months. First A1c was 15.3, then a month later 8.5, two months after that 6.0, then always under 5. My HgbA1c was 9.8 which dropped to 5.7 when next tested. For me, my choices work. I have energy, I sleep well, and my doctor is happy with the results. Jennifer And so they should, so you should and so they should be. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
What would happen if you used your low carb diet alone? Jennifer is the low carb advocate. I admire her for that as her results are better than mine. My diet has restricted carbs but doesn’t fit the Atkins low carb model.
Actually Q… and I hope I don’t diminish in your eyes ; )… but I use a very modified low carb plan. I don’t count them at all, but if I did I figure I’d be around 100g a day. I very very rarely eat pasta, cereal, potato or candy. I do eat a small quantity of beans and whole grain bread. Most meals are protein and veggies. But I am not above sneaking a bite or two of a friends dessert when I go out to eat. I am quite fat, which doesn’t actually bother me or my lifestyle, I try to exercise, but rarely get in as much as I’d like, due to work schedule etc. I do use meds, 500mg Glucophage 3x a day. I will take a Prandin every now and again (I’d say once or twice a month), if I’m in a high carb situation… business meal, wedding etc. I’ve been at this almost two years now and seem to have fallen into a rhythm that works for me. My last five A1c (all three months apart) were in the 4.3 – 4.7 range. I started lower carb eating immediately upon dx, and it dropped my BG in the space of a few months. First A1c was 15.3, then a month later 8.5, two months after that 6.0, then always under 5. For me, my choices work. I have energy, I sleep well, and my doctor is happy with the results. Jennifer
P.S. I forgive you for destroying the Napier of my imagination by placing the golden arches in the view of the cityscape. Dolores
ah i too am terrrrrrrrifed of golden arches meself do not do franchised operations……. melynda reid who wears hats but does not type caps as she hates to commit a capital offense i remain a shy and retiring artist without portfolio seriously seeking homeo stasis oh whither art thou homeo??? the over forty wicked wackey mermaid revue has just begun. stay attuned for the next episode..
This post not CC’d by email quentin, RE: restoring blood sugar levels close to normal. It is important to have blood sugar levels as normal as possible.
Agreed. G’day G’day Dolores, However, is it important how you get there?
Dolores, I came to study diabetes out of personal necessity. To do it I have studied publicly available information at Pubmed and talked with a few people on the net. It doesn’t qualify me in any authorative way. Whatever answer I give I hope you will accept it as my best guess and wait to see what others have to say. IMHO. The first objective is to get there as so many other things improve as a result of normalizing bg. If I am obese and don’t lose weight and use meds and my blood sugar is normal is that just hiding the real problem?
It would be ignoring one very real problem. Obesity and sedentary lifestyle are _independent_ risks to a healthy life. I assume this is a hypothetical since IIRC you are not on meds and I therefore assume you are not obese. Is it guaranteed that lowering blood sugar means insulin sensitivity has improved?
No. It is usual for people on low carb to obtain lower blood sugar levels quickly. For some it is in days or weeks. The specific changes in blood lipids that signal improved insulin sensitivity are more gradual. The quick and dirty indicator of insulin sensitivity for people with a BMI of < 27 is that TG and HDL are normal. People with a BMI 27 are almost certain to be insulin resistant. People with a very low BMI are unlikely to be insulin resistant. My point is that lower blood sugar levels can occur before insulin sensitivity improves if the diet is low carb. I do not think that reducing insulin resistance is necessarily a result of lowering blood sugars.
Lowering blood sugar is one way to achieve insulin sensitivity. I ask these questions based on the fact that an Atkins dieter, for instance, will do horribly on a glucose tolerance test.
So I believe. And yet the Atkins diet produces fast weight lose for many people. It is what the person does after that is significant. If they want a good glucose tolerance test then it seems to me that AFTER losing weight and obtaining a decent lipid profile THEN they can introduce high fibre and low glycemic index low energy density foods IF THEY WANT TO. That is merely what I believe and that is all. Is this test of any significance any more?
It is if it uncovers high insulin surges following food that lead to rapidly falling blood glucose. Also with an HbA1c of 4.3 why are you taking meds?
My last HgbA1c was 5.1 I was expecting to take another one at the beginning of this month but am now considered so low risk they will only do blood lipid and liver function once every six months. As to why I am taking meds, the quick answer is I don’t know. I seem to recall that you have managed to control the dm with diet and exercise. You earn my admiration for that. I earn my own by sticking what is working for me. I had a couple of bad days last week and discovered later that I had drop my tablet on the floor. Whether that was significant or not I don’t know. What would happen if you used your low carb diet alone?
Jennifer is the low carb advocate. I admire her for that as her results are better than mine. My diet has restricted carbs but doesn’t fit the Atkins low carb model. For breakfast every morning I have half a cup of berries and four tablespoons of flax fibre. I recommend anyone taking flax fibre to start slowly perhaps with a teaspoon or two. I am careful to avoid carbs at lunch time when I don’t have any medication. If I am not then I get two o’clock power sleeping. We are not all the same. I commonly have almonds and yoghurt or avocado, ham and rye wafers or kippers and a thin slice of bread. For my evening meal I have low density carbohydrate food eg broccoli, cauliflower, eggplant, fennel, capsicum, onion along with lean meat or fish or shellfish or feta cheese or an omelette. I carry almonds in my pocket. These are low carb but high in mono-unsaturated fats which is about the safest substitute for carbs. I also have Kavli rye wafers. Three wafers provide 10 g of carbs. P.S. I forgive you for destroying the Napier of my imagination by placing the golden arches in the view of the cityscape. Dolores
Napier is a beautiful place. Living here makes life worth living. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
What type of insurance do you have? Many like BC&BS will now pay for diabetic counseling and education. Check and see. Terry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been recently diagnosed as being a sufferer of type 2, and have been told that I can control the sugar levels with diet alone. However, I have been given hardly any dietry advice. Can anyone help please? Spike.
One more thing – EXCERCISE! EXCERCISE! EXCERCISE! Diet alone is not enough. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s the advice I give all newbies: Sounds like you’re planning a move to take control of your diabetes… good for you. There is so much to absorb… you don’t have to rush into anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. If you don’t have one… GET ONE! The most important thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test. What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I’m sure you’ve read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice… the things our Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly… so if you’re a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise. You might want to try some experiments. First: Day one: eat whatever you’ve been currently eating… but write it down. Test yourself at the following times: Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after each meal At bedtime That means 8 x for that day. What you will discover by this is how long after a meal your highest reading comes… and how fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher reading. Next: Day two: try to curb your carbs. For a few days eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit… get all your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above. If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good readings. It’s worth a few days to discover. That’s the thing about this disease… we share much in common… we need to follow certain guidelines… but in the end, our bodies dictate our treatment and our success. The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM… I know that everyone is at a different point in their disease… and it is progressive. But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, that’s all we can do. Here’s my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers. FBG 60 – 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after meals under 120 Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future complications, especially heart problems. Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your body and how it’s handling diabetes than your doctor will. The meter is our best weapon. Just remember, we’re not in a race or a competition with anyone but ourselves… Play around with your food plan… TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings… Use your body as a science experiment. Best of luck! I have been recently diagnosed as being a sufferer of type 2, and have been told that I can control the sugar levels with diet alone.However, I have been given hardly any dietry advice.Can anyone help please?Spike.
– Henry M. Type II, Diagnosed 1994, Melbourne, Australia
quentin, RE: restoring blood sugar levels close to normal. It is important to have blood sugar levels as normal as possible. However, is it important how you get there? If I am obese and don’t lose weight and use meds and my blood sugar is normal is that just hiding the real problem? Is it guaranteed that lowering blood sugar means insulin sensitivity has improved? I do not think that reducing insulin resistance is necessarily a result of lowering blood sugars. I ask these questions based on the fact that an Atkins dieter, for instance, will do horribly on a glucose tolerance test. Is this test of any significance any more? Also with an HbA1c of 4.3 why are you taking meds? What would happen if you used your low carb diet alone? P.S. I forgive you for destroying the Napier of my imagination by placing the golden arches in the view of the cityscape. Dolores
This post not CC’d by email I have been recently diagnosed as being a sufferer of type 2, and have been told that I can control the sugar levels with diet alone.
G’day G’day Spike, Who told you, you could? This is an important question. T2 diabetics differ markedly in what is possible and what is not. If your doctor thinks you should be on medication and you are just hoping you might not because "someone" told you that some T2s can control it be diet alone … be very careful. Most people here hold to the paradigm that the more quickly blood sugar levels are restored close to normal in T2 diabetics the better. The essential guideline is to monitor blood sugar levels ferociously at first till you find out what works for you. Diet Diet + exercise Diet + exercise + oral medication Diet + exercise + insulin with or without oral medication. However, I have been given hardly any dietry advice.
Whatever changes you make with diet, exercise will help to lower insulin resistance. Can anyone help please? Spike.
You could start by reading of one person’s success with low carb, http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin/jennifers_story.htm For reasons no one quite understands different diets work for different people. Some go low fat WITH high fibre. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
Here’s the advice I give all newbies: Sounds like you’re planning a move to take control of your diabetes… good for you. There is so much to absorb… you don’t have to rush into anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. If you don’t have one… GET ONE! The most important thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test. What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I’m sure you’ve read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice… the things our Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly… so if you’re a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise. You might want to try some experiments. First: Day one: eat whatever you’ve been currently eating… but write it down. Test yourself at the following times: Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after each meal At bedtime That means 8 x for that day. What you will discover by this is how long after a meal your highest reading comes… and how fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher reading. Next: Day two: try to curb your carbs. For a few days eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit… get all your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above. If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good readings. It’s worth a few days to discover. That’s the thing about this disease… we share much in common… we need to follow certain guidelines… but in the end, our bodies dictate our treatment and our success. The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM… I know that everyone is at a different point in their disease… and it is progressive. But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, that’s all we can do. Here’s my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers. FBG 60 – 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after meals under 120 Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future complications, especially heart problems. Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your body and how it’s handling diabetes than your doctor will. The meter is our best weapon. Just remember, we’re not in a race or a competition with anyone but ourselves… Play around with your food plan… TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings… Use your body as a science experiment. Best of luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been recently diagnosed as being a sufferer of type 2, and have been told that I can control the sugar levels with diet alone.However, I have been given hardly any dietry advice.Can anyone help please?Spike.
Thanks Jennifer. Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s the advice I give all newbies: Sounds like you’re planning a move to take control of your diabetes… good for you. There is so much to absorb… you don’t have to rush into anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. If you don’t have one… GET ONE! The most important thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test. What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I’m sure you’ve read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice… the things our Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly… so if you’re a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise. You might want to try some experiments. First: Day one: eat whatever you’ve been currently eating… but write it down. Test yourself at the following times: Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after each meal At bedtime That means 8 x for that day. What you will discover by this is how long after a meal your highest reading comes… and how fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher reading. Next: Day two: try to curb your carbs. For a few days eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit… get all your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above. If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good readings. It’s worth a few days to discover. That’s the thing about this disease… we share much in common… we need to follow certain guidelines… but in the end, our bodies dictate our treatment and our success. The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM… I know that everyone is at a different point in their disease… and it is progressive. But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, that’s all we can do. Here’s my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers. FBG 60 – 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after meals under 120 Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future complications, especially heart problems. Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your body and how it’s handling diabetes than your doctor will. The meter is our best weapon. Just remember, we’re not in a race or a competition with anyone but ourselves… Play around with your food plan… TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings… Use your body as a science experiment. Best of luck! I have been recently diagnosed as being a sufferer of type 2, and have been told that I can control the sugar levels with diet alone.However, I have been given hardly any dietry advice.Can anyone help please?Spike.
I have been recently diagnosed as being a sufferer of type 2, and have been told that I can control the sugar levels with diet alone. However, I have been given hardly any dietry advice. Can anyone help please? Spike.
I sometimes think having ADD/H is like going through life with blinders on,
Exactly! — Nessa Let’s make Friday part of the weekend and give all of these people Chocolate eclairs Moxy Fruvous- King of Spain
todfour said: "Even when I’ve told people that you have be direct with me or I may not pick up on your inferences, they still tip toe around the subject. ARRGHH!" Unfortunately some people view being direct as rude. They just aren’t comfortable doing it.
Hm. I don’t get it about all this ADHD-associated ‘outspoken’ and ‘bad behavior.’ I am generally shy, well-mannered, and restrained in social situations. Spaced out, and compliant.
Maybe it’s the difference between primarily hyperactive and primarily inattentive? Kitten – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – having ADD/H is like going through life with blinders on, in order to concentrate on something, they try to "not see" anything else, so even though they are filtering out distractions, they are also not noticing the subtle clues that people give in social interactions. Those are just the things that are unimportant. If people didn’t judge other people on the basis of such useless and unimportant qualities, then ADDers would have perfect social skills. Exactly, I realized that the reason I didn’t develop social skills was because I had to learn what I could filter out or ignore, ie what was non-essential to the conversation. It takes all my attention to remember what was said, and to remember my reply. It was just too much to have to ALSO remember all those nice little things that seemed to serve no purpose. Think about social skills, they are things like, "oh, well, that is a really good idea." or "I really appreciate that." I always will remember 20 minutes after a conversation all the nice things I could have said. You know what I hate? Like, it took me all my life to be able to say I am sorry or to apologize for something. And then these smooth operators come along and they just spit out all this "nice" crap like it was nothing, and everyone is so impressed, but it means NOTHING to them, and they don’t even care. They apologize and say they are sorry, and say they appreciate stuff, but then they don’t act on what they say. I am left wondering why everyone is so enamored of social skills. Most of the people I meet with social skills are asshole manipulators and just do it to get their way and don’t mean a word of it. Jennifer Snow Wolff
[snip] Unfortunately some people view being direct as rude. They just aren’t comfortable doing it.
And there’s also just, plain unalloyed…rudeness. Right, Gotter? Joe Parsons Streaming Multimedia production and delivery–served with a SMILe http://www.yankeemedia.net
todfour said: "Even when I’ve told people that you have be direct with me or I may not pick up on your inferences, they still tip toe around the subject. ARRGHH!" Unfortunately some people view being direct as rude. They just aren’t comfortable doing it.
As the mother of an 11 year old ADHD/gifted/PDD-NOS(high functioning autism)er, I can agree. Part of my son’s autism leads him to take things literally (which means he does not pick up "hints", nor properly process body language/tone of voice/facial expressions), as well as being blunt to a fault-because he does not understand idiomatic speech, nor remember the social "scripts" which call for all of the small talk and niceties we usually take for granted…so people who do not know him consider him "rude and unfriendly"…people who know and understand his difficulties do not see him this way. — Buny http://members.delphi.com/sumbuny/index.html
Hm. I don’t get it about all this ADHD-associated ‘outspoken’ and ‘bad behavior.’ I am generally shy, well-mannered, and restrained in social situations. Spaced out, and compliant. Maybe it’s the difference between primarily hyperactive and primarily inattentive?
Partially, maybe, but I am definitely both innattentive and socially clueless. A hyperactive sort probably blurts out more stuff, which makes things worse. But an innattentive sort is certainly capable of missing many cues and failing to dance around things and be tactful. And no one in my whole life has *ever* called me compliant!!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hm. I don’t get it about all this ADHD-associated ‘outspoken’ and ‘bad behavior.’ I am generally shy, well-mannered, and restrained in social situations. Spaced out, and compliant. Maybe it’s the difference between primarily hyperactive and primarily inattentive? Partially, maybe, but I am definitely both innattentive and socially clueless. A hyperactive sort probably blurts out more stuff, which makes things worse. But an innattentive sort is certainly capable of missing many cues and failing to dance around things and be tactful. And no one in my whole life has *ever* called me compliant!!
lol… noone calls me compliant, either. Stubborn as a mule is more like it.
having ADD/H is like going through life with blinders on, in order to concentrate on something, they try to "not see" anything else, so even though they are filtering out distractions, they are also not noticing the subtle clues that people give in social interactions. Those are just the things that are unimportant. If people didn’t judge other people on the basis of such useless and unimportant qualities, then ADDers would have perfect social skills.
Exactly, I realized that the reason I didn’t develop social skills was because I had to learn what I could filter out or ignore, ie what was non-essential to the conversation. It takes all my attention to remember what was said, and to remember my reply. It was just too much to have to ALSO remember all those nice little things that seemed to serve no purpose. Think about social skills, they are things like, "oh, well, that is a really good idea." or "I really appreciate that." I always will remember 20 minutes after a conversation all the nice things I could have said. You know what I hate? Like, it took me all my life to be able to say I am sorry or to apologize for something. And then these smooth operators come along and they just spit out all this "nice" crap like it was nothing, and everyone is so impressed, but it means NOTHING to them, and they don’t even care. They apologize and say they are sorry, and say they appreciate stuff, but then they don’t act on what they say. I am left wondering why everyone is so enamored of social skills. Most of the people I meet with social skills are asshole manipulators and just do it to get their way and don’t mean a word of it. Jennifer Snow Wolff
Hm. I don’t get it about all this ADHD-associated ‘outspoken’ and ‘bad behavior.’ I am generally shy, well-mannered, and restrained in social situations. Spaced out, and compliant. having ADD/H is like going through life with blinders on, in order to concentrate on something, they try to "not see" anything else, so even though they are filtering out distractions, they are also not noticing the subtle clues that people give in social interactions. Those are just the things that are unimportant. If people didn’t judge other people on the basis of such useless and unimportant qualities, then ADDers would have perfect social skills.
Exactly, I realized that the reason I didn’t develop social skills was because I had to learn what I could filter out or ignore, ie what was non-essential to the conversation. It takes all my attention to remember what was said, and to remember my reply. It was just too much to have to ALSO remember all those nice little things that seemed to serve no purpose. Think about social skills, they are things like, "oh, well, that is a really good idea." or "I really appreciate that." I always will remember 20 minutes after a conversation all the nice things I could have said. You know what I hate? Like, it took me all my life to be able to say I am sorry or to apologize for something. And then these smooth operators come along and they just spit out all this "nice" crap like it was nothing, and everyone is so impressed, but it means NOTHING to them, and they don’t even care. They apologize and say they are sorry, and say they appreciate stuff, but then they don’t act on what they say. I am left wondering why everyone is so enamored of social skills. Most of the people I meet with social skills are asshole manipulators and just do it to get their way and don’t mean a word of it. Jennifer Snow Wolff
One of the reasons many ADDers are labeled as ’stupid, etc.’ when they are growing up is because of this very thing. I’ve noticed that most people speak around what they really want to say. It’s as if they are afraid to say what they mean, so they ‘hint’ at what they want. When we don’t get the hint, it’s somehow OUR fault. Even when I’ve told people that you have be direct with me or I may not pick up on your inferences, they still tip toe around the subject. ARRGHH! The way I see it is if you don’t tell me what you want, maybe you deserve to be ignored.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope you don’t get upset because I’m so blunt. I wish more people would be that way with me; it’s one of the few things that help. It’s true. most people with ADD are **CLUELESS** when it comes to seeing things and developing social skills. I usually tell my friends and co-workers to his me over the head with a brick. I tell my friends and coworkers this: I usually say pretty much what I mean. I’m not being subtle or tactful, and you don’t have to look for the hidden message behind what I say. Also, I usually don’t pick up on tact and subtle hidden messages, so it’s best to just say what you want to say to me. The people who have stuck around believe me and adjust to this (and I have, with great diligence, developed tiny specks of tact over the years, too!) I try to remember to tell them I appreciate this, because I know that I am not the norm and it *is* an adjustment.
I’ve noticed that with my husband and oldest son as well. Is there ANY way (other than hitting with a brick LOL) to get them to notice these things??? Setting a good example and constant reminders don’t work! I sometimes think having ADD/H is like going through life with blinders on, in order to concentrate on something, they try to "not see" anything else, so even though they are filtering out distractions, they are also not noticing the subtle clues that people give in social interactions.
Those are just the things that are unimportant. If people didn’t judge other people on the basis of such useless and unimportant qualities, then ADDers would have perfect social skills. <grin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s true. most people with ADD are **CLUELESS** when it comes to seeing things and developing social skills. I usually tell my friends and co-workers to his me over the head with a brick. — Nessa Let’s make Friday part of the weekend and give all of these people Chocolate eclairs Moxy Fruvous- King of Spain
I hope you don’t get upset because I’m so blunt. I wish more people would be that way with me; it’s one of the few things that help.
It’s true. most people with ADD are **CLUELESS** when it comes to seeing things and developing social skills. I usually tell my friends and co-workers to his me over the head with a brick. — Nessa Let’s make Friday part of the weekend and give all of these people Chocolate eclairs Moxy Fruvous- King of Spain
I’ve noticed that with my husband and oldest son as well. Is there ANY way (other than hitting with a brick LOL) to get them to notice these things??? Setting a good example and constant reminders don’t work! I sometimes think having ADD/H is like going through life with blinders on, in order to concentrate on something, they try to "not see" anything else, so even though they are filtering out distractions, they are also not noticing the subtle clues that people give in social interactions.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s true. most people with ADD are **CLUELESS** when it comes to seeing things and developing social skills. I usually tell my friends and co-workers to his me over the head with a brick. — Nessa Let’s make Friday part of the weekend and give all of these people Chocolate eclairs Moxy Fruvous- King of Spain
I hope you don’t get upset because I’m so blunt. I wish more people would be that way with me; it’s one of the few things that help. It’s true. most people with ADD are **CLUELESS** when it comes to seeing things and developing social skills. I usually tell my friends and co-workers to his me over the head with a brick.
I tell my friends and coworkers this: I usually say pretty much what I mean. I’m not being subtle or tactful, and you don’t have to look for the hidden message behind what I say. Also, I usually don’t pick up on tact and subtle hidden messages, so it’s best to just say what you want to say to me. The people who have stuck around believe me and adjust to this (and I have, with great diligence, developed tiny specks of tact over the years, too!) I try to remember to tell them I appreciate this, because I know that I am not the norm and it *is* an adjustment.
Then what are they? Not excuses, but more of explanations. While those 3 problems may not be fatal like a brain tumor, they can effect your performance.
Yes they can affect your performance, just like the big asthma attack I had when I had my job affected my performance. In my case there was a very simple accomodation that my employer could have made (but refused). In the case of PMS etc what is your employer going to do to accomodate you? There are things you need to do for yourself to try to make things better for you at work and in your life in general. In the case of my asthma, my doctor and I had tried a range of medications that simply were not working (and in a couple cases making things worse), I tried bringing HEPA filters to work, but that didn’t work. My doctor and I finally decided that avoidance was the only reasonable solution. My employer could have *easily* made it so that I could have avoided the trigger I was being exposed to at work, but instead they decided to gang up on me and either find ways to fire me or force me to quit. That’s not just me being paranoid either, I have witnesses. If PMS and low blood sugar are that much of a problem for you and you have talked with your doctor and tried a number of things to control them to no avail, then perhaps you need to accomdate yoursef by finding a job that isn’t so much customer service or physical exersion. There’s only so much the ADA or employers can do, and even when you do have a case it’s difficult to get anything done about it.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My first question to you is do you now understand what reasonable Nah, that happened on the day I was fired. What happened on the day you were fired? is that the day you said WHAT? Yes, it was the day I said "What" and I accidently sat a couple who requested for smoking in a non-smoking section. That boss was a butthole I think he was just picking at me, he just found any reason to get rid of me, I believe he was mad at me because I turned down the a request from him to be a Server’s Assistant (a note: being a server’s assistant is a step down from being a hostess, definately not a promotion!). You are saying that in addition to being rude and unprofessional you did not do the proper job and seated a couple in the wrong area. This upset the cutomers right?
Oh, I sat a couple in the wrong area the world is going to end! I assumed they were upset, they told a manager. This happend to me numerous times, being sat in the wrong section in a restaurant. No big deal, I just asked the hostess or a server to seat me in the correct place. Those customers were full of crap. That’s what you get from working with the public, huh? And this made the boss angry so that made him a ‘butthole’ right?
He shouldn’t have been happy. But, he has dealt with worse things(servers showing up w/hangovers, servers showing up late, servers not showing up at all, servers talking back, servers walking out, bartenders charged with DWI’s). They still have their jobs too. It was me. And he was picking on you because he tried to keep you employed by transfering you to a job he felt was better suited to your needs and you declined the reassignment? And again how is this supposed to be covered under the ADA? To me it sounds like he was a good boss who was trying very hard to help a very angry, irresponsible person stay employed.
I wasn’t angry. I wasn’t irresponsible. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok so what happened before that that caused you to be fired? In other words, what accommodations would you need in order to not be rude to the customers (i.e. the people that give money to your boss so you can get paid?) None, my fault. Well if it’s your fault why do you feel that ADHD should be covered under the ADA and how do you feel it would apply to your situation? Getting more training. Do you feel you could do the critical aspects of the job without further training? If not then you are not entitled to reasonable accommodation. What further training do you need for a job of hostess?
None, but I needed further training when I was a cashier. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Third Job (customer service clerk/bagger): Did not get fired, fortunely. I recieved a write-up though. Quitted after four months. why did you quit? what was the write up about. Job was too physically demanding and boring.Only pushing 3 carts at a time into the store, walking slowly on the lot and clocking out early that’s what I got a write up for. Ok so you quit because the job was too physically demanding and you were bored. You were written up for not doing the job and for cheating the company by clocking out early. Hey, I was scheduled to work four hours that day and that’s what I did! I clocked in 7 minutes earlier and clocked out 7 minutes earlier. Hey, if you were working in a job that did not have flex time and you did not obtain prior permission to do so then you are at fault and you have no standing to complaiin. That in and of itself should be a fireable offense. and why do you feel the ADA should cover you with this type of behavior. They shouldn’t, I admit, I was a total b*tch on that last job. ok what about the other jobs? Nope, I was pretty humble on the other ones. being humble and being wrong are two different things. being humble and being incompetent are two different things. I don’t see where being humble has anything to do with being fired.
I didn’t say it did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you mean by something medical. PMS, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, and simply not enough rest. Also, when I was on my second job I was just recooperating from food poisioning. I have PMS, reactive hypoglycemia, obesity (conversely when I am thin I have low blood pressure), lack of sleep etc. Those are not medical those are excuses. Then what are they? Not excuses, but more of explanations. While those 3 problems may not be fatal like a brain tumor, they can effect your performance. Do you know what the difference between an excuse and an explanation is? Easy. an excuse is: I have PMS and low blood sugar that cause me to behave this way. I can’t help it. I have to live with it. An explanation is: I scewed up because I have a bio-chemical imbalance that I am learning to get under control. I am sorry it happened but I will take this experience and learn from it so that the problem does not happen again. Based on what you have described as your behavior you are not learning from your mistakes so you are making excuses not explanations. — Nessa Caution, I have a short attent….
You are saying that in addition to being rude and unprofessional you did not do the proper job and seated a couple in the wrong area. This upset the customers right? Oh, I sat a couple in the wrong area the world is going to end! I assumed they were upset, they told a manager. This happend to me numerous times, being sat in the wrong section in a restaurant. No big deal, I just asked the hostess or a server to seat me in the correct place. Those customers were full of crap. That’s what you get from working with the public, huh?
Have you had any jobs that did not involve direct customer service? Perhaps that isn’t the kind of job suited for you at this time in your life. It might not be easy to find something like that (a factory job, perhaps?), but a temp agency might be able to find something for you. Personally, I’ve never had trouble about being mean or rude to customers, but I make a lot of mistakes. I survive through frequent apologies. =) People are generally kind enough to understand that you are only human. But only if you try to treat them well. Do you? I don’t want to sound rude, but if you refuse to accept any blame ("Well, I only screwed up because…" or "That person was a jerk anyway…"), you’re not going to be able to cut it in the real world. Imagine yourself in your employer’s shoes. (Call him Mr. B(oss). =) Mr. B needs to make money. Employee A, for whatever reason, keeps making mistakes that discourage repeat customers. Even if they’re extremely rude, he *needs* the money make a living, to keep the business going and pay his employees. He needs to be practical. It might *not* be Employee A’s fault most of the time, but someone else with better people skills could do the job a *lot* better and make him more money. Even the most understanding employer needs/wants to get as much business as they can, and even the most arrogant employee needs a paying job. I think of it as "Practicality over Principle". So take a ball of mud in the face at times, smile and ask for more. You can wipe the mess off later with your paycheck. If you’re too proud to do that, then you’re a proud, unemployed screw-up. Nothing to be proud of, in my opinion. I hope you don’t get upset because I’m so blunt. I wish more people would be that way with me; it’s one of the few things that help. — Decimal I, like, commas,
Oh, I sat a couple in the wrong area the world is going to end!
I have asthma (as do many people) and if I went to a restaurant thinking I was in an area away from second hand smoke and the guy at the table next to me lights up I’d sure as heck never go back to that restaurant. By the same token, if I went to a restaurant where smoking is allowed in some sections (many are completely smoke free these days), I’d be upset if I found that I couldn’t smoke in there and I had specifically gone there because I *could* smoke. Either way, the restaurant loses business. Do it enough times, yeah, the world of that restaurant is going to end. I assumed they were upset, they told a manager. This happend to me numerous times, being sat in the wrong section in a restaurant. No big deal, I just asked the hostess or a server to seat me in the correct place. Those customers were full of crap. That’s what you get from working with the public, huh?
Sounds to me like customer service is not an area you ought to be working in. I mean, if you don’t like people, why put yourself through it? Find a job where you don’t have that much contact with people. None, but I needed further training when I was a cashier.
That is unfair for them to not give you enough training, but training is not an ADA issue.
Ok this is not intended as an attack but it may come across that way because I don’t sugar coat my words and often don’t think twice about what I say. I am willing to dialogue but I doubt you want to hear what I have to say. I was first diagnoised in 1969. I was rediagnosied in 1991. I have two kids one who is ADHD and other things and one who is ADHD primarily Inattentive. You know him as Slugboy. Reasonable accommodation requires that you be able to perform the critical aspects of the job even with your disability.
My first question to you is do you now understand what reasonable accommodatoin is? Do you understand how it applies to ADHD? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First Job (cashier): Fired for loosing over $100 on the cashier within 2 nights. Fired on the third night. If a critical aspect of the job was keeping track of the cash in your drawer then you would not be covered under the ADA. Second Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude to customers, If a critical aspect of the job was to be polite to customers at all times then you would not be covered under the ADA. Well saying WHAT does not sound like a fireable offense (TO ME) however it appears that it may have been the start of a pattern that lasted over a period of one month that finally indicated that you are not able to handle the critical aspects of the job. Nah, that happened on the day I was fired.
What happened on the day you were fired? is that the day you said WHAT? Ok so what happened before that that caused you to be fired? In other words, what accommodations would you need in order to not be rude to the customers (i.e. the people that give money to your boss so you can get paid?) None, my fault.
Well if it’s your fault why do you feel that ADHD should be covered under the ADA and how do you feel it would apply to your situation? Third Job (customer service clerk/bagger): Did not get fired, fortunely. I recieved a write-up though. Quitted after four months. why did you quit? what was the write up about. Job was too physically demanding and boring.Only pushing 3 carts at a time into the store, walking slowly on the lot and clocking out early that’s what I got a write up for.
Ok so you quit because the job was too physically demanding and you were bored. You were written up for not doing the job and for cheating the company by clocking out early. That in and of itself should be a fireable offense. and why do you feel the ADA should cover you with this type of behavior. They shouldn’t, I admit, I was a total b*tch on that last job.
ok what about the other jobs? Why say that if ADHD is really a disability why isn’t it covered under the ADA and then say that the behavior is not caused by the disability? What do you mean by something medical. PMS, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, and simply not enough rest. Also, when I was on my second job I was just recooperating from food poisioning.
I have PMS, reactive hypoglycemia, obesity (conversely when I am thin I have low blood pressure), lack of sleep etc. Those are not medical those are excuses. Medical would be a brain tumor. PMS can be corrected with medication, diet, exercise etc. I do it every month. my neuropsych specializes in 3 things ADHD, brain injury and PMS. — Nessa Caution, I have a short attent….
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok this is not intended as an attack but it may come across that way because I don’t sugar coat my words and often don’t think twice about what I say. I am willing to dialogue but I doubt you want to hear what I have to say. I was first diagnoised in 1969. I was rediagnosied in 1991. I have two kids one who is ADHD and other things and one who is ADHD primarily Inattentive. You know him as Slugboy. Reasonable accommodation requires that you be able to perform the critical aspects of the job even with your disability. My first question to you is do you now understand what reasonable accommodatoin is? Do you understand how it applies to ADHD? First Job (cashier): Fired for loosing over $100 on the cashier within 2 nights. Fired on the third night. If a critical aspect of the job was keeping track of the cash in your drawer then you would not be covered under the ADA. Second Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude to customers, If a critical aspect of the job was to be polite to customers at all times then you would not be covered under the ADA. Well saying WHAT does not sound like a fireable offense (TO ME) however it appears that it may have been the start of a pattern that lasted over a period of one month that finally indicated that you are not able to handle the critical aspects of the job. Nah, that happened on the day I was fired. What happened on the day you were fired? is that the day you said WHAT?
Yes, it was the day I said "What" and I accidently sat a couple who requested for smoking in a non-smoking section. That boss was a butthole I think he was just picking at me, he just found any reason to get rid of me, I believe he was mad at me because I turned down the a request from him to be a Server’s Assistant (a note: being a server’s assistant is a step down from being a hostess, definately not a promotion!). Ok so what happened before that that caused you to be fired? In other words, what accommodations would you need in order to not be rude to the customers (i.e. the people that give money to your boss so you can get paid?) None, my fault. Well if it’s your fault why do you feel that ADHD should be covered under the ADA and how do you feel it would apply to your situation?
Getting more training. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Third Job (customer service clerk/bagger): Did not get fired, fortunely. I recieved a write-up though. Quitted after four months. why did you quit? what was the write up about. Job was too physically demanding and boring.Only pushing 3 carts at a time into the store, walking slowly on the lot and clocking out early that’s what I got a write up for. Ok so you quit because the job was too physically demanding and you were bored. You were written up for not doing the job and for cheating the company by clocking out early.
Hey, I was scheduled to work four hours that day and that’s what I did! I clocked in 7 minutes earlier and clocked out 7 minutes earlier. That in and of itself should be a fireable offense. and why do you feel the ADA should cover you with this type of behavior. They shouldn’t, I admit, I was a total b*tch on that last job. ok what about the other jobs?
Nope, I was pretty humble on the other ones. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why say that if ADHD is really a disability why isn’t it covered under the ADA and then say that the behavior is not caused by the disability? What do you mean by something medical. PMS, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, and simply not enough rest. Also, when I was on my second job I was just recooperating from food poisioning. I have PMS, reactive hypoglycemia, obesity (conversely when I am thin I have low blood pressure), lack of sleep etc. Those are not medical those are excuses.
Then what are they? Not excuses, but more of explanations. While those 3 problems may not be fatal like a brain tumor, they can effect your performance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Medical would be a brain tumor. PMS can be corrected with medication, diet, exercise etc. I do it every month. my neuropsych specializes in 3 things ADHD, brain injury and PMS. — Nessa Caution, I have a short attent….
<snip PMS, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, and simply not enough rest. Also, when I was on my second job I was just recooperating from food poisioning. I have PMS, reactive hypoglycemia, obesity (conversely when I am thin I have low blood pressure), lack of sleep etc. Those are not medical those are excuses. Then what are they? Not excuses, but more of explanations. While those 3 problems may not be fatal like a brain tumor, they can effect your performance.
A lot of things can affect your performance–being up with a sick child all night, getting bad news from the family, having a tension headache–but the customers coming through the door aren’t responsible for any of those. And, even when they act like idiots, YOU are the professional in that situstion, and it is your responsibility to act that way. If a customer is being truly abusive, you direct the manager to them. But you DON’T have a right to be ‘bitchy’. All the extra training in the world won’t help if your attitude is that your explanations (PMS, low blood sugar, etc) excuse your behavior. It sounds as if you’re hoping that the ADA will give you some clout when your next boss wants to fire you for not doing your job adequately.
My first question to you is do you now understand what reasonable Nah, that happened on the day I was fired. What happened on the day you were fired? is that the day you said WHAT? Yes, it was the day I said "What" and I accidently sat a couple who requested for smoking in a non-smoking section. That boss was a butthole I
think he was just picking at me, he just found any reason to get rid of me, I believe he was mad at me
because I turned down the a request from him to be a Server’s Assistant (a note: being a server’s assistant is a step down from being a hostess, definately not a promotion!).
You are saying that in addition to being rude and unprofessional you did not do the proper job and seated a couple in the wrong area. This upset the cutomers right? And this made the boss angry so that made him a ‘butthole’ right? And he was picking on you because he tried to keep you employed by transfering you to a job he felt was better suited to your needs and you declined the reassignment? And again how is this supposed to be covered under the ADA? To me it sounds like he was a good boss who was trying very hard to help a very angry, irresponsible person stay employed. Ok so what happened before that that caused you to be fired? In other words, what accommodations would you need in order to not be rude to the customers (i.e. the people that give money to your boss so you can get paid?) None, my fault. Well if it’s your fault why do you feel that ADHD should be covered under the ADA and how do you feel it would apply to your situation? Getting more training.
Do you feel you could do the critical aspects of the job without further training? If not then you are not entitled to reasonable accommodation. What further training do you need for a job of hostess? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Third Job (customer service clerk/bagger): Did not get fired, fortunely. I recieved a write-up though. Quitted after four months. why did you quit? what was the write up about. Job was too physically demanding and boring.Only pushing 3 carts at a time into the store, walking slowly on the lot and clocking out early that’s what I got a write up for. Ok so you quit because the job was too physically demanding and you were bored. You were written up for not doing the job and for cheating the company by clocking out early. Hey, I was scheduled to work four hours that day and that’s what I did! I clocked in 7 minutes earlier and clocked out 7 minutes earlier.
Hey, if you were working in a job that did not have flex time and you did not obtain prior permission to do so then you are at fault and you have no standing to complaiin. That in and of itself should be a fireable offense. and why do you feel the ADA should cover you with this type of behavior. They shouldn’t, I admit, I was a total b*tch on that last job. ok what about the other jobs? Nope, I was pretty humble on the other ones.
being humble and being wrong are two different things. being humble and being incompetent are two different things. I don’t see where being humble has anything to do with being fired. What do you mean by something medical. PMS, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, and simply not enough rest. Also, when I was on my second job I was just recooperating from food poisioning. I have PMS, reactive hypoglycemia, obesity (conversely when I am thin I have low blood pressure), lack of sleep etc. Those are not medical those are excuses. Then what are they? Not excuses, but more of explanations. While those 3 problems may not be fatal like a brain tumor, they can effect your
performance. Do you know what the difference between an excuse and an explanation is? Easy. an excuse is: I have PMS and low blood sugar that cause me to behave this way. I can’t help it. I have to live with it. An explanation is: I scewed up because I have a bio-chemical imbalance that I am learning to get under control. I am sorry it happened but I will take this experience and learn from it so that the problem does not happen again. Based on what you have described as your behavior you are not learning from your mistakes so you are making excuses not explanations. — Nessa Caution, I have a short attent….
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why don’t we fight to have it under ADA? Maybe I would not have lost 3 jobs in 18 months. It is covered under the ADA. However, I have a feeling you don’t understand the concept of reasonable accommodation. Reasonable accommodation requires that you be able to perform the critical aspects of the job even with your disability. First Job (cashier): Fired for loosing over $100 on the cashier within 2 nights. Fired on the third night. If a critical aspect of the job was keeping track of the cash in your drawer then you would not be covered under the ADA. Second Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude to customers, If a critical aspect of the job was to be polite to customers at all times then you would not be covered under the ADA. for example a lady asked me for a booth, I did not hear her and I said "What!?", big mistake. I really don’t remember what else I did that was rude, but a manager said I did several other things. Fired after one month. Well saying WHAT does not sound like a fireable offense (TO ME) however it appears that it may have been the start of a pattern that lasted over a period of one month that finally indicated that you are not able to handle the critical aspects of the job.
Nah, that happened on the day I was fired. In other words, what accommodations would you need in order to not be rude to the customers (i.e. the people that give money to your boss so you can get paid?)
None, my fault. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For example: Let’s say you are blind. The critical aspect of the job is greeting people and seating them in a calm polite professional manner. You have the personality for this job and can meet the critical aspects of it. So what will be the reasonable accommodations? A bell that rings at the host station when the door opens A raised (relief) picture of the layout of the resturant that you could use tokeep track of where you have seated people. Use of a cane or a dog for navigation if needed. However many blind people can memorize an area that they are in frequently and navigate that area without external aids. Third Job (customer service clerk/bagger): Did not get fired, fortunely. I recieved a write-up though. Quitted after four months. why did you quit? what was the write up about.
Job was too physically demanding and boring.Only pushing 3 carts at a time into the store, walking slowly on the lot and clocking out early that’s what I got a write up for. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fourth Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude again and fired for loosing money again also. see above about RA For example, I refused to seat several guest because it was 45 minutes before closing time and a table of rednecks asked me to take care of a dirty restroom as if I was a janitor, I got very offended and acted very snotty towards them. Some other examples, I snapped on average one customer per night on the phone, I made fun of a black lady speaking ebonics over the telephone, I screwed up on 2 to go orders on the last night, the first one I double charged them, the second one I forgot to fix their order until they arrived on top of that I screwed it up, a manager had to take $22 dollars out of his pocket! and why do you feel the ADA should cover you with this type of behavior.
They shouldn’t, I admit, I was a total b*tch on that last job. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think there are three reasons why I can’t keep a job. 1. I need a attitude adjustment. I am working on that, unfortunately some of my friends dosen’t help. 2. Something medical 3. Something psychological (ADHD). I am forgetful, distracted, and restless on the job. Any advice? What type of advice do you want? You know already what you need. You need to learn Social Skills I suggest Michele Novati’s book "What does everybody else know that I don’t know?" which is a book about social skills for adults with ADD. What do you mean by something medical.
PMS, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, and simply not enough rest. Also, when I was on my second job I was just recooperating from food poisioning. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you mean a neurobiochemical imbalance then you would need chemical intervention to balance that. ADHD is such an imbalance. Possibly you are underemployed and under utilized and that’s why you are restless on the job. As far as disorganized and distractable– see www.franklincovey.com and learn their system for life managment. It’s the best thing that ever happened to me. — Nessa God Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can change and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the one’s that really pissed me off
Why don’t we fight to have it under ADA? Maybe I would not have lost 3 jobs in 18 months. First Job (cashier): Fired for loosing over $100 on the cashier within 2 nights. Fired on the third night. Second Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude to customers, for example a lady asked me for a booth, I did not hear her and I said "What!?", big mistake. I really don’t remember what else I did that was rude, but a manager said I did several other things. Fired after one month. Third Job (customer service clerk/bagger): Did not get fired, fortunely. I recieved a write-up though. Quitted after four months. Fourth Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude again and fired for loosing money again also. For example, I refused to seat several guest because it was 45 minutes before closing time and a table of rednecks asked me to take care of a dirty restroom as if I was a janitor, I got very offended and acted very snotty towards them. Some other examples, I snapped on average one customer per night on the phone, I made fun of a black lady speaking ebonics over the telephone, I screwed up on 2 to go orders on the last night, the first one I double charged them, the second one I forgot to fix their order until they arrived on top of that I screwed it up, a manager had to take $22 dollars out of his pocket! I think there are three reasons why I can’t keep a job. 1. I need a attitude adjustment. I am working on that, unfortunately some of my friends dosen’t help. 2. Something medical 3. Something psychological (ADHD). I am forgetful, distracted, and restless on the job. Any advice?
Why don’t we fight to have it under ADA? Maybe I would not have lost 3 jobs in 18 months.
It is covered under the ADA. However, I have a feeling you don’t understand the concept of reasonable accommodation. Reasonable accommodation requires that you be able to perform the critical aspects of the job even with your disability. First Job (cashier): Fired for loosing over $100 on the cashier within 2 nights. Fired on the third night.
If a critical aspect of the job was keeping track of the cash in your drawer then you would not be covered under the ADA. Second Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude to customers,
If a critical aspect of the job was to be polite to customers at all times then you would not be covered under the ADA. for example a lady asked me for a booth, I did not hear her and I said "What!?", big mistake. I really don’t remember what else I did that was rude, but a manager said I did several other things. Fired after one month.
Well saying WHAT does not sound like a fireable offense (TO ME) however it appears that it may have been the start of a pattern that lasted over a period of one month that finally indicated that you are not able to handle the critical aspects of the job. In other words, what accommodations would you need in order to not be rude to the customers (i.e. the people that give money to your boss so you can get paid?) For example: Let’s say you are blind. The critical aspect of the job is greeting people and seating them in a calm polite professional manner. You have the personality for this job and can meet the critical aspects of it. So what will be the reasonable accommodations? A bell that rings at the host station when the door opens A raised (relief) picture of the layout of the resturant that you could use tokeep track of where you have seated people. Use of a cane or a dog for navigation if needed. However many blind people can memorize an area that they are in frequently and navigate that area without external aids. Third Job (customer service clerk/bagger): Did not get fired, fortunely. I recieved a write-up though. Quitted after four months.
why did you quit? what was the write up about. Fourth Job (restaurant host/hostess): Fired for being rude again and fired for loosing money again also.
see above about RA For example, I refused to seat several guest because it was 45 minutes before closing time and a table of rednecks asked me to take care of a dirty restroom as if I was a janitor, I got very offended and acted very snotty towards them. Some other examples, I snapped on average one customer per night on the phone, I made fun of a black lady speaking ebonics over the telephone, I screwed up on 2 to go orders on the last night, the first one I double charged them, the second one I forgot to fix their order until they arrived on top of that I screwed it up, a manager had to take $22 dollars out of his pocket!
and why do you feel the ADA should cover you with this type of behavior. I think there are three reasons why I can’t keep a job. 1. I need a attitude adjustment. I am working on that, unfortunately some of my friends dosen’t help. 2. Something medical 3. Something psychological (ADHD). I am forgetful, distracted, and restless on the job. Any advice?
What type of advice do you want? You know already what you need. You need to learn Social Skills I suggest Michele Novati’s book "What does everybody else know that I don’t know?" which is a book about social skills for adults with ADD. What do you mean by something medical. If you mean a neurobiochemical imbalance then you would need chemical intervention to balance that. ADHD is such an imbalance. Possibly you are underemployed and under utilized and that’s why you are restless on the job. As far as disorganized and distractable– see www.franklincovey.com and learn their system for life managment. It’s the best thing that ever happened to me. — Nessa God Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can change and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the one’s that really pissed me off
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jennifer Calabrese wrote: > Elizabeth, > I’ve had epilepsy since i was 5 years old. I went off seizure > medications when I was in 5th grade. I am now 21 and had been suffering > from seizures for about 11 years now. My doctors didn’t realize that I > had another form of seizures. I’ve returned to taking medication > (tegretol) and have found that I can now lead a fairly normal and healthy > life. I know I am a bit older than you but I had to deal with seizures > for quite some time at your age without knowing exactly what they were. > The doctors just passed them off as panic attacks. > What I do to make myself comfortable about going out is to let my > friends know that I have epilepsy and what they can do for me if I happen > to have a seizure. I also make sure to sit in aisle seats at the movies, > church, etc. If I "feel" a seizure coming on I get up and leave and > usually head for the ladies room. > YOur depression will probably go away after you get used to your > seizures and learn more about them and yourself. It can be tough at first > but I pulled myself out of it and so can you! Epilepsy is just part of > who I am. I live with it and deal with it every day of my life. Try to > learn to accept it and just keep going. Use it to your advantage and > learn something from it. > Take care Elizabeth and hang in there. If you need to chat please > email me @ j_cal…@acad.lvc.edu > Jen
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Elizabeth, I’ve had epilepsy since i was 5 years old. I went off seizure medications when I was in 5th grade. I am now 21 and had been suffering from seizures for about 11 years now. My doctors didn’t realize that I had another form of seizures. I’ve returned to taking medication (tegretol) and have found that I can now lead a fairly normal and healthy life. I know I am a bit older than you but I had to deal with seizures for quite some time at your age without knowing exactly what they were. The doctors just passed them off as panic attacks. What I do to make myself comfortable about going out is to let my friends know that I have epilepsy and what they can do for me if I happen to have a seizure. I also make sure to sit in aisle seats at the movies, church, etc. If I "feel" a seizure coming on I get up and leave and usually head for the ladies room. YOur depression will probably go away after you get used to your seizures and learn more about them and yourself. It can be tough at first but I pulled myself out of it and so can you! Epilepsy is just part of who I am. I live with it and deal with it every day of my life. Try to learn to accept it and just keep going. Use it to your advantage and learn something from it. Take care Elizabeth and hang in there. If you need to chat please email me @ j_cal…@acad.lvc.edu Jen
I’m a 15 year old female, and I have just been diagnosed with partial complex epilepsy. Lately I have been feeling really down and depressed and I dont go out much any more(mainly because Im affraid of my seisures) I dont know what to do to get over this. I feel like this is really interfearing in my life, because Im a teen ager and I really want to go out and have fun, Im not on medication yet but once Im on,will it help the depression and make me feel like myself again? and is there anything that I can do till I get my medication? thanks for your help!!!! Elizabeth
Try tegretol..seems to act as an antidepressant and anti-epileptic In article <8C0P4.5976$OO6.634…@nnrp4.clara.net>, "Jackie McGarry" <jackie.mcga…@freeuk.com> wrote: > anyone got a cure for bad depression. my seizures have been uncontrollable > for twenty years and i am just so down.
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Hello Jackie Surprise has caused me your message with date 02-05-00 in alt.support.epilepsy news. Because up to now I find out the big benefits of the Tegretol. For many years that the base of my treatment it is in Tegretol. Summarizing, my consultation is: So that the Tegretol acted also as a depresive anti. I will to go accompanied of some other medication, diet or appropriate exercise? etc. Thank you Pedro. <dj…@my-deja.com> escribi
i would like to hear from anyone with diabetes which cannot be controlled by any means. Before you buy.
i would like to hear from anyone with diabetes which cannot be controlled by any means.
Good morning, Tina. I greatly appreciate your message, and look forward to hearing from you. I’m quite sure you are having a difficult time in finding a person whose diabetes cannot be controlled by any means. We, here in this newsgroup, represent a microcosm of diabetics from around the world, each having his or her own doctor, and each with an individual medication, diet and exercise regimen. All these individual programs represent thousands of different attempts to control our disease. But, occasionally, somebody comes by, like you have, and offers us other assistance. This other assistance takes many forms, from Chinese herbs to food supplements to bee venom to many other vistas for controlling our disease. Why, only yesterday, some fellow passed by and offered us a new diagnosis/treatment plan of watching colors on our monitors. As a group and as individuals we have routinely turned down these fine people’s offers, and I suspect yours will be rejected as well. It is downright presumptuous for you and these other people to come here and represent that you have "the cure" or "the ultimate control." We’ve heard so much of this that we know your types for what you are: a bunch of insensitive, money-grubbing sons-of-bitches that are willing to take advantage of people with serious illness in order to make a quick buck. You should be ashamed! Charles Evans